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Softening but not soft

The speed dating jamboree that is the annual Monte Carlo Reinsurance Rendezvous kicks off on the 6th September where buyers and sellers (i.e. underwriters and brokers, with those clients that can afford the hotel rates) of speciality insurance and reinsurance kick off their discussions ahead of drawn-out negotiations for the January 2026 renewal season. Each side will earnestly set out their stall, with the US hurricane season as the backdrop (with the extent of any insured catastrophe losses playing a part in how actual negotiations progress towards the year-end), on the degree of rate, term, and condition changes for each client and/or client group.

The fact that rates have peaked is now beyond doubt with even the losses from the California wildfires failing to shift the downward trend in rates. In January, David Flandro of reinsurance broker Howden Re stated “if it wasn’t obvious already, we are now firmly in the hard market softening phase of the rating cycle” with the exhibit below in a report entitled “Passing the Pricing Peak” illustrating the point.

Metrics from Lloyd’s H1 presentation by new CEO Patrick Tiernan focus on the adequacy of rates in the context of the recent decline in rates, as per the exhibit below.

(Re)insurers and other commentators such as rating agencies are voraciously stressing the need for market discipline. A common defence from (re)insurers, as articulated by Flandro, is that “if you look at all lines, or most lines, we are still harder in terms of pricing than we were five years ago”. AM Best stated that “the lessons of past cycles suggest caution, but reinsurer sentiment has ensured tighter exposure management and market disciple in the current cycle” and asked, “the question now facing the industry is whether the improvements in terms and conditions represent a durable shift”. Fitch adjusted its outlook for the reinsurance sector to “deteriorating” stating that “softer pricing conditions and rising claims costs will pressure underwriting margins, though profitability remains strong by historical standards.” Munich Re CEO dismissed any talk of any meaningful softening in rates, stating “there is no soft market”. On the buyer side, Gallagher Re CEO highlighted that for property CAT business supply is now “materially outpacing demand”. There will be many such perspectives aired in articles and interviews over the coming week laying out the battle lines in these pre-negotiations.

A pickup in M&A is another sign that firms understand growth will not come from rates. Within the past few weeks, Sompo announced a deal to purchase Aspen at 1.3 times the tangible book and Skyward announced a deal for the Apollo Managing Agent in Lloyd’s at approx 8.5 times EBITDA, both sensible prices.

On my part, I will offer some of my thoughts on the subject in the remainder of this post through the lens of results and data over past decades, whilst updating some of the previous thinking detailed on this site (which are several years old now).

The first issue is to highlight the level of profitability the specialty insurance and reinsurance sector has enjoyed over the past few years. The exhibit below illustrates the heightened levels of ROE achieved by reinsurers over the cost of capital in recent years, according to a recent Gallagher Re mid-year report. Many would argue that such returns of 12-10% above the cost of capital are justified to compensate for the heightened risk environment of today given the climate, geopolitical, and macroeconomic issues at play.

By way of further illustrating the level of recent profits in the sector, Lloyd’s of London has just announced their H1 2025 results and the pre-tax profits of Lloyd’s from 2023, 2024 and H1 2025 equal the aggregate profit and losses from the previous 15 years (from 2007 to 2022). Lloyd’s has not had the two back-to-back return on capital years of 20%+ it had in 2023 and 2024 since 2006 and 2007.

The introduction of IFRS 17 reporting for many specialty insurers and reinsurers has complicated comparative, historical and aggregate analysis in the sector so I will revert to Lloyd’s historical results as a benchmark for the sector’s history. Obviously, Lloyd’s results carry a significant degree of caution when used as a proxy for the whole sector and I would caveat their use by referring to a (now 10-year-old) post called “Lessons from Lloyds”. An updated breakdown of the Lloyd’s combined ratio from 1993 to H1 2025 is below.

 30 year history of Lloyd's combined ratio, history of Lloyds of London

To illustrate the specialty underwriting cycle, I have discounted these combined ratios to adjust for the time value of money applicable for each year (i.e. a discount factor equal to the average annual 1 year T-Bill rate for each year over a duration of 24 months). The next metric I used to represent changes in market rates is the Guy Carpenter ROL index for property CAT reinsurance. Although this is clearly not representative of all specialty lines (see pricing and rate exhibits above) it gives a directional sense of rates for the overall sector, and it is measured on a consistent basis over an applicable long-term period. Combining these metrics with the inflated historical CAT insured losses for the post preceding this one gives the following graphic.

Specialty insurance cycle

In a highly unscientific way, I judgementally selected an ROL index base of 250 for the graphic as representing a level of adequacy akin to an 85% discounted combined ratio (as per 1996, 2003, 2009, and 2013). A 250 base indicates that the current 2025 index level has a further 7% to fall before becoming “inadequate”. This selection does assume that the sector has historically been able to adjust T&Cs, specifically attachment levels, to stay ahead of trend changes in insured CAT losses (at approx. 6-9% per year recently) due to factors such as loss inflation and climate change (an obviously BIG assumption!).

So, what does the above graphic illustrate? Accepting the (vast) limitations of my simplistic analysis, it indicates that the market today is at a similar stage in the rate cycle as we were in 2007 and 2014 (I would discount the 1990’s as the wild west in terms of London market underwriting behaviour). However, as highlighted by Beazley CEO Adrian Cox “in contrast to the previous softer cycle, there is a fundamental difference in today’s environment; the claims environment is active in respect to both frequency and severity, and uncertainty is elevated”. In the 2007 and 2013 years and the years that followed each, insured CAT losses were relatively low which fed the subsequent declines in rates. The CAT losses of 2011 and 2017 represented the bottom of each of the soft cycles albeit that the peak of 2012 and 2013 were short lived and it took a full 5 years over 2018 to 2022 for rates to get to an “adequate” level again.

Most (re)insurers would agree wholeheartedly in public with Cox when he says, “rate discipline is essential”. However, I suspect brokers and clients in Monte Carlo will be pushing hard to reduce rates further given the level of recent profits from the sector. Discipline but not yet will be the mantra and the level of insured losses (CAT or otherwise) over the remainder of 2025 will, I suspect, dictate how much softening of the current hard market will actually result in the January 2026 renewals and through 2026.

As a postscript, I also updated the graphic on underwriting and credit cycles to see if there were any further insights to be had, as below.

Specialty underwriting and credit cycle

The first thing to note is that credit and insurance cycles can be driven from the same event – 9/11 and COVID are obvious applicable cases. The graphic shows that the credit cycles over the past 20 years do not obviously influence the underwriting cycles with insured CAT losses being a much more relevant factor in the underwriting cycle.

The lack of a rush of new capital into the sector following major loss years have been an important factor over the past 20 years in shaping the character of underwriting cycles although economic and interest rate cycles do influence the level of capital which comes into the ILS market. It is interesting to note that with interest rates on a downward track currently, the appetite for CAT related returns from investors is again playing a part in the current availability of reinsurance, particularly retro, capacity. Memories can be short and it looks like it may take more CAT losses to reinforce to current ILS investors the risk they are taking on and the curse of “uncorrelated” tail exposure.

Finally, the impact of the policies of the mad Orange King and his sycophants, whom a wise commentator recently generously called “economic morons”, may just result in a return of a big beautiful credit crash akin to those of the past in the coming months and years which, were it to occur, would undoubtedly negatively impact everybody including (re)insurers.

It will be intriguing to see exactly how the 2026 renewal negotiations play out over the coming weeks and months.

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Multiple Temptation

I thought it was time for a quick catch up on all things reinsurance and specialty insurance since my last post a year ago. At that time, it looked like the underlying rating environment was gaining momentum and a hoped-for return to underwriting profitability looked on the cards. Of course, since then, the big game changer has been COVID-19.

A quick catch-up on the 2019 results, as below, from the Aon Reinsurance Aggregate (ARA) results of selected firms illustrates the position as we entered this year. It is interesting to note that reserve releases have virtually dried up and the 2019 accident year excluding cats is around 96%.

The Willis Re subset of aggregate results is broadly similar to the ARA (although it contains a few more of the lesser players and some life reinsurers and excludes firms like Beazley and Hiscox) and it shows that on an underling basis (i.e. accident year with normalised cat load), the trend is still upwards and more rate improvement is needed to improve attritional loss ratios.

The breakdown of the pre-tax results of the ARA portfolio, as below, shows that investment returns and gains saved the day in 2019.

The ROE’s of the Willis portfolio when these gains were stripped out illustrates again how underwriting performance needs to improve.

Of course, COVID-19 has impacted the sector both in terms of actual realised losses (e.g. event cancellations) and with the cloud of uncertainty over reserves for multiple exposures yet to be fully realised. There remains much uncertainty in the sector about the exact size of the potential losses with industry estimates ranging widely. Swiss Re recently put the figure at between $50-80 billion. To date, firms have established reserves of just over $20 billion. One of the key uncertainties is the potential outcome of litigation around business interruption cover. The case brought in the UK by the FCA on behalf of policyholders hopes to expedite lengthy legal cases over the main policy wordings with an outcome expected in mid-September. Lloyds industry insurance loss estimate is within the Swiss Re range and their latest June estimate is shown below against other historical events.

I think Alex Maloney of Lancashire summarised the situation well when he said that “COVID-19 is an ongoing event and a loss which will take years to mature”, adding that for “the wider industry the first-party claims picture will not be clear until 2021”. Evan Greenberg of Chubb described the pandemic as a slow rolling global catastrophe impacting virtually all countries, unlike other natural catastrophes it has no geographic or time limits and the event continues as we speak” and predicted that “together the health and consequent economic crisis will likely produce the largest loss in insurance history, particularly considering its worldwide scope and how both sides of the balance sheet are ultimately impacted”.

The immediate impact of COVID-19 has been on rates with a significant acceleration of rate hardening across most lines of business, with some specialty lines such as certain D&O covers have seen massive increases of 50%+. Many firms are reporting H1 aggregate rate increases of between 10% to 15% across their diversified portfolios. Insurance rate increases over the coming months and reinsurance rates at the January renewals, assuming no material natural cats in H2 2020, will be the key test as to whether a true hard market has arrived. Some insurers are already talking about increasing their risk retentions and their PMLs for next year in response to reinsurance rate hardening.

Valuations in the sector have taken a hit as the graph below from Aon on stock performance shows.

Leaving the uncertainty around COVID-19 to one side, tangible book multiples amongst several of my favourite firms since this March 2018 post, most of whom have recently raised additional capital in anticipation of a broad hard market in specialty insurance and reinsurance market, look tempting, as below.

The question is, can you leave aside the impact of COVID-19? That question is worthy of some further research, particularly on the day that Hiscox increased their COVID-19 reserves from $150 million to $230 million and indicated a range of a £10 million to £250 million hit if the UK business interruption case went against them (the top of the range estimate would reduce NTAs by 9%).

Food for thought.

Creepy Things

It has been a while since I looked at the state of the reinsurance and specialty insurance markets. Recent market commentary and insurers’ narratives at recent results have suggested market rates are finally firming up, amidst talk of reserve releases drying up and loss creep on recent events.

Just yesterday, Bronek Masojada the CEO of Hiscox commented that “the market is in a better position than it has been for some time”. The Lancashire CEO Alex Maloney said he was “encouraged by the emerging evidence that the (re)insurance market is now experiencing the long-anticipated improvements in discipline and pricing”. The Chubb CEO Evan Greenberg said that “pricing continued to tighten in the quarter while spreading to more classes and segments of business, particularly in the U.S. and London wholesale market”.

A look at the historical breakdown of combined ratios in the Aon Benfield Aggregate portfolio from April (here) and Lloyds results below illustrate the downward trend in reserve releases in the market to the end of 2018. The exhibits also indicate the expense disadvantage that Lloyds continues to operate under (and the reason behind the recently announced modernisation drive).

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In the Willis Re mid-year report called “A Discerning Market” their CEO James Kent said “there are signs that the longstanding concern over the level of reserve redundancy in past year reserves is coming to fruition” and that in “some classes, there is a clear trend of worsening loss ratios in recent underwriting years due to a prolonged soft market and an increase in loss severity.

 In their H1 presentation, Hiscox had an exhibit that quantified some of the loss creep from recent losses, as below.

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The US Florida hurricane losses have been impacted by factors such as assignment of benefits (AOB) in litigated water claims and subsequently inflating repair costs. Typhoon Jebi losses have been impacted by overlapping losses and demand surge from Typhoon Trami, the Osaka earthquake and demand from Olympics construction. Arch CEO Marc Grandisson believes that the market missed the business interruption and contingent BI exposures in Jebi estimates.

The fact that catastrophic losses are unpredictable, even after the event, is no surprise to students of insurance history (this post on the history of Lloyds is a testament to unpredictability). Technology and advances in modelling techniques have unquestionably improved risk management in insurance in recent years. Notwithstanding these advances, uncertainty and the unknown should always be considered when model outputs such as probability of loss and expected loss are taken as a given in determining risk premium.

To get more insight into reserve trends, it’s worth taking a closer look at two firms that have historically shown healthy reserve releases – Partner Re and Beazley. From 2011 to 2016, Partner Re’s non-life business had an average reserve release of $675 million per year which fell to $450 million in 2017, and to $250 million in 2018. For H1 2019, that figure was $15 million of reserve strengthening. The exhibit below shows the trend with 2019 results estimated based upon being able to achieve reserve releases of $100 million for the year and assuming no major catastrophic claims in 2019. Despite the reduction in reserve releases, the firm has grown its non-life business by double digits in H1 2019 and claims it is “well-positioned to benefit from this improved margin environment”.

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Beazley is one of the best insurers operating from London with a long history of mixing innovation with a balanced portfolio. It has doubled its net tangible assets (NTA) per share over the past 10 years and trades today at a 2.7 multiple to NTA. Beazley is also predicting double digit growth due to an improving rating environment whilst predicting “the scale of the losses that we, in common with the broader market, have incurred over the past two years means that below average reserve releases will continue this year”.

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And that’s the rub. Although reserves are dwindling, rate improvements should help specialty (re)insurers to rebuild reserves and improve profitability back above its cost of capital, assuming normal catastrophe loss levels. However, market valuations, as reflected by the Aon Benfield price to book exhibit below, look like they have all that baked in already.

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And that’s a creepy thing.

AIG: Better Days

It’s been 2 years since I posted on AIG and it has been an eventful 2 years. A new management team (again) has been installed, led by industry veteran Brian Duperreault, to try to turn this stubborn ship around. The results, as below, show the scale of the task. Reduced investment returns, reducing legacy and asset balances, and poor reinsurance protections are just a few of the reasons behind the results, in addition to the obvious poor underwriting results.

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Oversize risks from the previous Go Large strategy have been disastrous for both the catastrophic losses and reserve strengthening on the commercial P&C business, as the results below show. Duperreault and his team have been busy working on refocusing the underwriting philosophy, modernizing systems and analytics, bringing in talent (including buying Validus), redesigning reinsurance protections and reshaping the portfolio.

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In their latest quarterly call, the new management team is boldly predicting an underwriting profit on the general insurance business (commercial and consumer) in 2019, assuming a catastrophe load of less than 5% and reductions in loss and expense ratios, which will require a +10% improvement in the 2018 result. In a sector where competitors have long since evolved (some use AI to optimise their portfolios and returns) and the alchemy of low return capital providers is ever present, they have set themselves an aggressive target.

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Given the current share price just below $42, its trading around 76% of the adjusted book value. If all things go well, and some recent headwinds (e.g. reserve strengthening) are tamed, I can see how a pre-tax income target of $3.5 billion to $4 billion and an adjusted income diluted EPS of $4.00 to $4.50 is achievable. These targets are roughly where analysts are for 2019, returning to EPS results achieved over 5 years ago. I concur on the targets but think the time-frame may be optimistic, another year of clean-up looks more likely.

It will be interesting to see how the year progresses.

ILS illuminations

Insurance linked securities (ILS) are now well established in the insurance industry. ILS as an asset class offer, according to its many fans, the benefits of diversification and low correlation to other asset classes whilst offering a stable and attractive risk/reward return. The impact of the new capital on the traditional market has been profound and wide ranging (and a much posted upon topic in this blog – here, here & here for example).

ILS fund managers maintained an “aggressive posture” on price at the recent April renewals according to Willis Re as ILS capacity continues to demonstrate its cost of capital advantage. ILS fund managers are also looking to diversify, moving beyond pure short tail risks and looking at new previously uninsured or underinsured exposures, as well as looking to move their capital along the value-chain by sourcing primary risk more directly and in bulk.

An industry stalwart, John Kavanagh of Willis Re, commented that “with results on many diversifying non-catastrophe classes now marginal, there is greater pressure on reinsurers to address the pricing in these classes” and that “many reinsurers remain prepared to let their top line revenue growth stall and are opting to return excess capital to their shareholders”. The softening reinsurance market cycle is now in its fifth year and S&P estimates that “even assuming continued favourable prior-year reserve releases and benign natural catastrophe losses, we anticipate that reinsurers will barely cover their cost of capital over the next two years”.

Rather than fight the new capital on price, some traditional (re)insurers are, according to Brandan Holmes of Moody’s, “deploying third-party capital in their own capital structures in an effort to lower their blended cost of capital” and are deriving, according to Aon Benfield, “significant benefits from their ability to leverage alternative capital”. One can only fight cheap capital for so long, at some stage you just arbitrage against it (sound familiar!).

A.M. Best recently stated that “more collateralised reinsurance programs covering nonpeak exposures are ceded to the capital markets”. The precipitous growth in the private transacted collateralised reinsurance subsector can be seen in the graph from Aon below.

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Nick Frankland of Guy Carpenter commented that “the capital landscape is ever-changing” and that “such capital diversity also elevates the position of the broker”. Some argue that the all-powerful role of the dominant brokers is exacerbating market softness. These brokers would counterargue that they are simply fulfilling their role in an efficient market, matching buyers and sellers. As Frankland puts it, brokers are “in the strongest position to provide access to all forms of capital and so secure the more beneficial rates and terms and conditions”. Dominic Christian of Aon Benfield commented last year that “to some extent alternative sources of capital are already, and have already uberized insurance and reinsurance, by bringing increased sources of supply”.

Perhaps alone amongst industry participants, Weston Hicks of Alleghany, has questioned the golden goose of cheap ILS capital stating that “some new business models that separate the underwriting decision from the capital provider/risk bearer are, in our view, problematic because of a misalignment of incentives”. Such concerns are batted aside as old fashioned in this new world of endless possibilities. Frighteningly, John Seo of ILS fund manager Fermat Capital, suggests that “for every dollar of money that you see in the market right now, I think there is roughly 10 dollars on the sidelines waiting to come in if the market hardens”.

As an indicator of current ILS pricing, the historical market spread over expected losses in the public CAT bond market can be seen in the exhibit below with data sourced from Lane Financial. It is interesting to note that the average expected loss is increasing indicating CAT bonds are moving down the risk towers towards more working layer coverages.

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In a previous post, I argued that returns from an ILS fund index, with the net returns judgementally adjusted to get to comparable figures gross of management fees, were diverging against those from a pure CAT bond index. I argued that this divergence may illustrate that the ILS funds with exposure to the private collateralised reinsurance sector may be taking on higher risk exposures to pump returns (or may be passing risks amongst themselves in an embryonic spiral) and that ILS investors should be careful they understand the detail behind the risk profiles of the ILS funds they invest in.

Well, the final 2016 figures, as per the graph below, show that the returns in my analysis have in fact converged rather than diverged. On the face of it, this rubbishes my argument and I have to take that criticism on. Stubbornly, I could counter-argue that the ILS data used in the comparison may not reflect the returns of ILS funds with large exposure to collateralised reinsurance deals. Absent actual catastrophic events testing the range of current fund models, better data sources are needed to argue the point further.

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In their annual review of 2016, Lane Financial have an interesting piece on reducing transparency across both the public and private ILS sector. They characterise the private collateralised reinsurance sector as akin to a dark pool compared to the public CAT bond market which they likened to a lit exchange. Decreased transparency across the ILS sector “should send up warning flags” for all market participants as it makes calculating Net Asset Valuations (NAV) with monthly or quarterly frequency more difficult. They argue that the increased use of a relatively smaller public CAT bond market for pricing points across the ILS sector, the less credible is the overall valuation. This is another way of expressing my concern that the collateralised reinsurance market could be destabilising as it is hidden (and unregulated).

In the past, as per this post, I have questioned how the fully funded ILS market can claim to have a lower cost of capital against rated reinsurers who only have to hold capital against a percentage of their exposed limit, akin to fractional banking (see this post for more on that topic). The response is always down to the uncorrelated nature of ILS to other asset classes and therefore its attraction to investors such as pension funds who can apply a low cost of capital to the investment due to its uncorrelated and diversifying portfolio benefits. Market sponsors of ILS often use graphs such as the one below from the latest Swiss Re report to extoll the benefits of the asset class.

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A similar exhibit, this time from a Lombard Odier brochure, from 2016 shows ILS in an even more favourable light!

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As anybody who has looked through any fund marketing metrics knows, performance comparisons with other investment strategies are fraught with bias and generally postdictive. The period over which the comparison is made and the exact indices chosen (look at the differing equity indices used in the comparisons above) can make material differences. Also, the size and liquidity of a market is important, a point which may negate any reliance on ILS returns prior to 2007 for example.

I thought an interesting exercise would be to compare actual historical ILS returns, as represented by the Swiss Re Global Cat Bond Total Return Index, against total returns (i.e. share price annual change plus dividends paid in year) from equity investment in reinsurers across different time periods. The most applicable business model for comparison would be pure property catastrophe reinsurers but unfortunately there are not many of them left.

I have chosen RenRe (RNR) and Validus (VR), from 2007, as representatives of the pure property cat business model, although both have diversified their portfolios away from pure short tail business in recent years. I also selected three of the biggest European reinsurers – Munch Re, Swiss Re and Hannover Re – all of which are large diverse composite reinsurers. Finally, I constructed a US$ portfolio using equal shares of each of the five firms mentioned above (RenRe represents 40% of the portfolio until 2007 when Validus went public) with the € and CHF shares converted at each year end into dollars.

The construction of any such portfolio is postdictive and likely suffers from multiple biases. Selecting successful firms like RenRe and Validus could validly be criticised under survival bias. To counter such criticism, I would point out that the inclusion of the European reinsurers is a considerable historic drag on returns given their diverse composite footprint (and associated correlation to the market) and the exclusion of any specialist CAT firm that has been bought out in recent years, generally at a good premium, also drags down returns.

The comparison over the past 15 years, see graph below, shows that Munich and Swiss struggle to get over their losses from 2002 and 2003 and during the financial crisis. Hannover is the clear winner amongst the Europeans. The strong performance of Hannover, RenRe and Validus mean that the US$ portfolio matches the CAT bond performance after the first 10 years, albeit on a more volatile basis, before moving ahead on a cumulative basis in the last 5 years. The 15-year cumulative return is 217% for the CAT bond index and 377% return for the US$ equity portfolio.

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The comparison over the past 10 years, see graph below, is intriguing. Except for Validus, the CAT bond index beats all other firms and the US$ portfolio for non-volatile returns hands down in the first 5 years. Hannover, Validus and the portfolio each make a strong comeback in the most recent 5 years. The 10-year cumulative return is 125% for the CAT bond index and 189% return for the US$ equity portfolio.

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The comparison over the past 5 years, see graph below, shows that all firms and the portfolio handily beats the CAT bond index. Due to an absence in large loss activity over the recent past and much more shareholder friendly actions by all reinsurers, the equity returns have been steady and non-volatile. The 5-year cumulative return is 46% for the CAT bond index and 122% return for the US$ equity portfolio.

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Overall then, ILS may offer less volatile and uncorrelated returns but I would personally prefer the, often lumpier, historical equity returns from a selected portfolio of top reinsurers in my pension pot (we all could have both in our pension funds!). Then again, the influx of new capital into ILS has put the future viability of the traditional reinsurance business models into question so future equity returns from the sector may not be too rosy.

At the end of the day, the bottom line is whether current market risk premia is adequate, irrespective of being supplied by ILS fund managers or traditional reinsurers. Based upon what I see, I have grave misgivings about current market pricing and therefore have no financial exposure, ILS or equity or otherwise, to the market at present.

Additional Comment, 29th April 2017: The ILS website Artemis.bm had an interesting piece on comments from Torsten Jeworrek of Munich Re during their March conference call. The applicable comment is as follows:

“And now I give you another example, which is not innovation per se or not digitalization, but you know that more and more alternative capital came into the insurance industry over the last years; hedge funds, pension refunds, participating particularly in the cat business and as a trend that not all of the limits they provide, cat limits are fully collateralized anymore. That means there are 10 scenarios; hurricane, earthquake, [indiscernible], and so on; which are put together, but not 10 times the limit is collateralized, let’s say only 4 times, 5 times.

That means these hedge funds and pension funds so to speak in the future if they don’t have to provide full 100% collateralized for all the limits they provide, they need a certain credit risk for the buyer. The more they entertain, the more there’s a likelihood that this reinsurance can also fail. The question is how far will that go and this kind of not fully collateralized reinsurance, will that be then accepted as a reinsurance by the regulator or will that be penalized at a certain time otherwise we don’t have level playing field anymore, which means the traditional reinsurer who was strongly monitored and regulated and also reported as really expensive and a burden for our industry and for us and on the other hand, you have very lean pension and hedge funds who even don’t have to provide the same amount of capital for the same risk.”